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Hi all, I am (still) investigating the purchase of a twin, and it has come down to a Baron 58 or 58P. I am looking at 1984-85 58Ps (325HP) and 1984-1990 58s (285-300HP). Known icing is a must and the ability to fly high without masks/canulas would be attractive. I understand all the issues with costs etc, but am finding it hard to get a handle on the differences in performance particularly on takeoff and landing. I operate out of a 2500ft grass runway (no obstacles) at 3500ft elevation.
I am sure someone in this forum who has flown both the 58 and 58P can provide some performance comparisons which will be enlightening. Thanks, Hugh Cheers, Nivo - Username Protected. Hugh DO NOT ATTEMPT TO FLY A 58P Baron OFF A 2500' GRASS STRIP! Did you hear that?
If not I can yell it again. The P Barons higher gross (700 lbs more than a 58) makes runway performance not conducive to your stated conditions. The P Baron is a great aircraft for long distance, high flying off all weather runways.
It is not an aircraft that you can safely operate off your 2500' grass runway (did I really read that correct?) successfully IMO. I have a personal minimum runway requirement of 3500', paved surface. Yes, I could go into something shorter at light weights. I have chosen not to operate in that manner with this aircraft. There are several other P Baron owners on the board and you will hopefully get their opinions also. I may be surprised, but don't think they will be substantially different than mine.
Now if you want a really good Baron for those conditions go find a nice D-55, and dress her out with all the bells and whistles you want. Then put the cost difference back into your wallet. A D-55 will handle that situation extremely well, and put a smile on your face at the same time. I owned one for 12 great years. It operated off grass at the strip where I was based very well. I think, but don't have the numbers to prove, that it will substantially out perform a straight 58 for takeoff and landing at your strip. I took my D-55 into 2500' paved strips and grass strips with no sweat.
Grass adds a little distance to takeoff, but it should still be fine. The biggest problem you may face with such operation is the higher weight on essentially the same size tires as a Bonanza during wet conditions. The Baron will sink down in the mud that a Bonanza would go right over. Username Protected.
Hugh Note that Jim's charts are distance to clear 50'. Also note that the additional weight of the P Baron will extend landing distance relative to lighter straight 58's. Any dampness would affect all those numbers a great deal, and in an undesirable direction.
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If you want to safely fly a Baron into your field on a regular basis, go for a D or early E 55 with IO-550's installed. That would be a sweet machine for your conditions. I was able to regularly cruise my D-55 at 13,000' - 14,000' without difficulty on longer trips. The 550's would improve that and perhaps give you the altitude capability you desire.
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Username Protected. Yes, I agree with all the above statements. Yes you can push the envelop. I have landed and STOPPPED in 1500 feet.
But the real issue is the take-off. The P-Baron needs a lot of pavement. At full gross on pavement I need close to 3000 feet at sea-level. I have never used a grass strip, insurance requires me to use a paved run-way. Another issue is the time from liftoff to obtaining full rate of climb.
I do not see a good rate of climb until I pass about 500 feet. There is a lot of mass to get moving. This model is designed for mid-teens flying. I find that I am using the mid-teens for most flights, 13,000 to 17,000 feet.
If I am going long, more than 3 hours and the winds are favorable I go to the low flight levels. It is nice to not wear a nose canula and coming down from the high altitudes does not bother the ears. All airplanes are a compromise. Username Protected. Don't know where my post went, but Don stated my case in excellent terms. The P is just not a good short field, much less short grass strip aircraft. Best, DaveDave - Note that unlike other forums, if someone posts something in the same thread while you were typing, the software here will show you what the other person posted and ask if you want to change your post before posting it.
(I know you're forum savy enough to understand what I just said. Hehe) Anyway, I suspect you typed your post and when you went to post it, the software showed you Don's response. You will need to click Submit again to make your post appear in the thread. Hopefully this knowledge will help eliminate losing a post of yours. Sorry for the inconvenience-I know it can be frustrating.
Username Protected. Thanks: that's probably what happened. Hugh, I was recently talked into landing my P at Gaston's for a flyin 3M0 which is a very nice 3000 plus grass strip.
I've been in there many times before in an A-36 and B-55. I had 1/2 fuel and three folks; it was in the 90s. I departed with approach flaps to get up off the grass which wasn't long or wet. I got off the grass in a little over 2500 feet, and continued in ground effect to accelerate. I had someone time the departure and it was almost 40 seconds from lift off to blue line.
Meanwhile, I was low over an adjacent farmer's field, then followed a river bottom. Had I lost an engine during this time period, I would pray all my pacs were stronger swimmers than me! Had a friend move to a C-90 King Air with the new upgraded engines for this reason: 2500 feet of grass. He was in a Colemill Baron. Didn't like the TBM 700 because of takeoff distance.
Let us know what you decide. I wouldn't do it.
Best, Dave Dave Siciliano, ATP Username Protected. I'd agree with the 58P posts as 2500 is pretty marginal, but don't have the experience of the others in the P.
However, I operate a B58 with 550s and my minimum is 2500 feet, unless there's something really going for me. And even at 2500 feet I need things in my favor. Either good headwind, light weight, hard dry grass cut low, or something.
The things that would stop me would include gusty crosswinds, hot and heavy, night ops (unless I was very familiar) and high grass. Or if I just didn't feel like it. With my 550s I can usually get out of anything I can get into, and the VGs give better control at low speeds. However, I'd NOT want to be based permanently at a 2500 ft strip.
Just too marginal. Even the other Barons, B, C, D, E, are marginal, but do a bit better. There WILL be a point where you can't go or stop on every takeoff. Larry Username Protected.
Done it, with a brand new 58 550s, from 2200 ft. However, it was about 20 ft.
And takeoffs limited to early a.m. Or evening if coolish. Dense but short, well-tended grass, smooth and flat as a tabletop. I walked the strip every morning to make extra sure there was no object or anything on it. You think about it carefully every time.
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3500 MSL though, huh uh. One last thing, our profile happened to involve two adults, each of us around 140 lb. And almost no luggage. What fuel we needed. So, lightly loaded for a 58.
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